Notley's 1985 play "Anne's White Glove," a commission by Ada Katz's Eye and Ear Theater navigated the pain of Berrigan's death, and her collections Margaret & Dusty (Coffee House, 1985), Parts of a Wedding (Unimproved Editions, 1986), and At Night the States (The Yellow Press, 1987) contain material written during a period of mourning. SoundCloud and where it was horizontal on the page. STEIN, Gertrude. Cherokee. Alma, or The Dead Women. Alice Notley has become one of America's greatest living poets. I dreamed about the children afterwards, you know, there were children being chased in this building. AN: To quote Jack Kerouac, avoid the authorities. If you have the talent you have to avoid them. To come back to this one, I read it as a kind of. Need a transcript Alice Notley has become one of Americas greatest living poets. I dont know anything about French pop culture at all; Im necessarily estranged from American pop culture, but I do sometimes know whats going on in music. Notley wrote extensively of her childhood and early life in her book Tell Me Again (Am here, 1982). She wound up in a nursing home, the life and soul of the nursing home: a great Irish lady. Her first husband, Ted Berrigan, was an equally charismatic figure among an influential group of downtown poets. (1954): that book is fantastic; he caught the new line, which he refers to in one of his letters. At the same moment, at Saint Marks, Bernadette Mayer, Anne Waldman, and I taught poetry workshops. Nick Sturm: It's the point where, when you've made so many books, of course manuscripts are talking to you. She has lived most extensively in Needles, in New York, and since 1992 in Paris, France. Table of Contents 112AN: Ah, thats from Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), from the lady with antlers; that was strange: I fell asleep, dreamed of being a woman with antlers, then when I woke up I opened Le Monde, lo and behold, there was a picture of a model with antlers on her head and she was in a fashion show that day on the runwayshe was wearing antlers: it was a premonitory dream. Notley has said that her decision to place the refrain at the beginning of the stanza rather than the end is what allowed her to continue writing the poem. staying at the Htel des Grands Hommes with his surrealist friends, who wont get into the Panthon either. 19AN: Peggy was great and, yes, Irish. I am furious about people calling their speech against Trump the resistance. However, I have a poem, which happened to be written before Trump was elected, in an anti-Trump-type anthology thats coming out because I figure any place I can get a poem published is an occasion to seize. It was reissued in 2021 by the London-based small press Distance No Object. Notley's elegiac work during this era, including her poems "Beginning With a Stain" and "At Night the States," is some of her most widely celebrated. BRETON, Andr. These places are continuously operating as presences in your poetry, particularly the Needles of your youth, in California, the Lower Manhattan in the heyday of New York School Poetry, and the Paris of today. DR: Its incredible because, I just re-read. My poems are full of creosote bushes, and athel trees which are extremely ugly trees that somehow got there, who knows how, maybe by way of the Colorado River which goes right by where I grew up. Paris: Gallimard, Bibliothque de La Pliade, 1988, p. 643-753. In fact, the strong memories of starting points, including the vegetation, you just evoked link you to your New York School entourage. BAYM, Nina. While Notley had written on motherhood prior to Songs, this book was her first to focus fully on the matter and is the first full-length book of a New York School-affiliated poet to take on the task of addressing poetry's sexism and the pressures and setbacks of motherhood in both personal and creative life. 70DR: Was the teaching of poetry workshops something that connected you to Kenneth Koch? DR: Its a beautiful indictment of bureaucracies and their inhuman treatment. Where Leftover Misery Goes. Robert Haas, Guest Editor, The Best American Poetry of 2001. Poems and prose about conflict, armed conflict, and poetry's role in shaping perceptions and outcomes of war. He spent two years in India, which changed everything about him. I learned everything from the variable foot from Asphodel, That Greeny Flower.. Also in my poem Disobedience (2001), I got the title in a dream about him. He gave everybody permission to be funny. 103DR: There are some lines from your poems, wrought like those in Stein, that one could carry in ones head all day and it would color that day; for example, that thinks but not only on words is one; all thats left of the old world are beautiful voices, is another that might change ones day. Of course, we salute their past: all the greats, Guillaume Apollinaire and Pierre Reverdy, and some well-known others. One day she took a lot of pills in a quasi-suicide attempt, when I was there, and then she just had to be rescued from this life of working a lot, not having enough, and too little company. 117DR: Its a beautiful indictment of bureaucracies and their inhuman treatment. Theyre beautiful. Notley remained fairly prolific during this era, writing and publishing several full-length collections. Alice Notley has become one of Americas greatest living poets. Would you like to come? I didnt go. My collages actually reflect the situation of overabundance. Recent books continue to be at least somewhat character centered. , Wesleyan University Press, 2006 (p.292-293), reproduced with permission of the author. Ive always had trouble getting materials here. Whats my plot? 59DR: With your interpolation of popular culture into epic poetry, I would expect you to be a household name here in France. NOTLEY, Alice. The Indie rock group, (2005), collects a series of sensitive essays she wrote about her own poetry and that of others from her poetic. I think that is what she said, because her greatest influence was Henry James: she takes his sense of the sentence and turns it into those stanzas. My favorite is how to cure an octopus: you go fishing, get an octopus, and you beat it against a rock. AN: I dont think thats true of her poetry though, and I dont think thats what John did exactly. The text is visually striking with quotation marks surrounding each poetic foot, intended to slow the reader down and indicate the pace at which the book is to be read. This independence is radical in a climate in which poets, searching for success, can feel pressured to build a brand, create a strong social-media presence, and write books with conceits that can be summarized in a sentence or two. It was a collaboration of sorts, though I generally do not collaborate; I really hate it. 83DR: Yes, right, on one level, shall we say? There are others of course, but could you begin by speaking around those atmospheres? These ideas are all very tangible, yet somewhat unconnected when conversed about and referred to. Request a transcript here. Its flowing world is populated by characters who seem to personify indeterminate pronouns (like a shaman named Qui) and theres a general defiance of set categories: and if one who renews refuses / gender? I was one of his friends in Paris. This is typical of what happens when I make a collage. When I read The Descent of Alette I am tempted to treat the quotation marks between phrases as breath-markers like on a musical score. What if there are structural barriers that hinder your speaking freely? , and she taught me the song later, and my father taught me the chant for the Apache Dog Dance. , Portland, WA: Fonograf Editions (Octopus Books), 2019. Then I figured out how to write them, so they enter the text. There was one called How Green Was My Hair Brush? which was a Ron title. Other beings begin to materialize, and it seems that they are all survivors of a global disaster. Its rare when a book summary isnt entirely sure whats going on inside, and such enigmas are either an irritant or central to Notleys mystique, depending on your taste. Wholeness is not the same as unity. Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press, 2006. . AN: I learned a lot from him on that level. 4Since then, her poetry has continued to flow and evolve. 1976 saw Notley and Berrigan moving their family permanently to New York City's Lower East Side, where they'd live together until Berrigan's death in 1983. Alice Notley has earned a reputation as one of the most challenging and engaging radical female poets at work today. Her poems have grappled with how to depict and think about motherhood, and her influence for a later generation of poets exploring these same subjects is hard to overstate. How do we make sense of ourselves in relation to huge abstract institutions such as democracy, the state, and marriage? Aeneas founded a city, Rome. NOTLEY, Alice. Logic ASHBERY, John. Its not around me much now. My mother had broken her hip. 107DR: Lets see, arrive the exactitude of pitch the tune in words alone; thats In the Pines too. , Fifth edition, vol.2. His poems have appeared (or are forthcoming) in ZYZZYVA, Poetry Northwest, and Sycamore Review. The designer of the cover made an extract basically, making it wrap around the book cover, which was an attractive idea. I have some Cherokee Blood, perhaps one-sixteenth Cherokee. She has received the Griffin Poetry Prize, the Los Angeles Times Book Award for poetry, and an Academy Award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters. to get there. She received a BA from Barnard College in 1967, and an MFA from the the Writers' Workshop at the University of Iowa in 1969. Making oneself now,oh One. 214, fall 2015, p.34-121. 63DR: Your attitude towards staleness in the academic world, your sensitivity towards these questions of history and politics, indeed your measure and courage for speaking out reminds me of one first-generation New York School poet in particular, Kenneth Koch. You can read her biography, an interview with Notley, and more of her poems in the Poetry Foundation archive. I could have a conversation about Royal Trux: a very chaotic indie group, sometimes awful, sometimes amazingly brilliant. 66AN: I started to be quite influenced by him at that point, and I think I influenced him in the writing of the book New Addresses: Poems, published in 2000. Notley also thanks Tom Clark who would go on to re-publish the sonnet cycle in his anthology All Stars. The Goddess who created this passing world. DR: You quote the powerful, assertive voice of Marianne Moore in a poem. Over the course of her career, Alice Notley has achieved something astounding: each of her nearly 30 books is different from the last one yet unmistakably hers. Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press, 2006. She met the poetTed Berrigan, and the couple lived in Southampton, New York (in the garage of painter Larry Rivers); Manhattan; Providence, Rhode Island; and Bolinas, California. Why poetry is necessary and sought after during crises. Notley edited seven of the issues with Berrigan taking over one while Notley was pregnant with their first son. Notleys recent work includes From the Beginning (2004), Alma, or the Dead Women (2006), Grave of Light: New and Selected Poems 1970-2005, which received the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize, In the Pines (2007), Culture of One (2011), Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), Benediction (2015), and Certain Magical Acts (2016). AN: His werent poetry workshops: he taught undergraduate courses at Columbia. Alice Notley: Im from the desert which I found intensely attractive as nature, and its my nature reallyI havent been back in six years but I love. Perhaps some of Notleys techniques have been absorbed into contemporary poetrys vocabulary, but, as long as conformity threatens, Notley will continue to push against it, or perhaps simply beyond it. Produced by Curtis Fox. DR: It seems to be an inspired collage. American Literature between the Wars, 1914-1945. Gen. Ed. Which is something that John Ashbery would probably have agreed with, in a way. The Crying Book Reveals How Tears Can Help Us, and How They Cant. They really like The Descent of Alette, because its like a video game. You have a poem called Cherokee (2006). Though I didnt know I was being influenced by him again when I was doing. The poet reads and discusses her work. AN: I do not expect to be well known in the universities because that context tends to be too academic, and generally French poetry is in a bad place. At that point Alice Notley was finding New York less amenable and was keen to go somewhere else. This button displays the currently selected search type. NOTLEY, AliceNationality: American. One major joy and challenge of reading Notleys work is the wild sense of freedom her poems generate: from line to line, word to word, anything can happen. Read Full Biography. So I grew up as friends with Native Americans, and imbued with certain things; I was also attuned to what had happened, without knowing fully, because there was a kind of sadness among the Mojaves in my town, along with immense curiosity and interest among some Anglos. Theyre beautiful. Was she of an Irish sort? Grave of Light. Death is for a moment, beauty is for all time, about World War II and people being away at the war. Scenes, tones, and pronouns shift without warning. Norton Anthology of American Literature, Fifth edition, vol.2. Logic sees cities destroyed as poems are stolen; a bloodied performer attempts to win over a non-existent audience in Perhaps Not for You. Alice Notley, Polaroid photo taken in Needles, CA, c.1985, courtesy of the artist, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. In fact, he had a whole career as a journalist, and knew how to research, to inform his opinions, and to look at events without a preexisting opinion: thus, I learned how to do that from him, though I find that few today are so intellectually honest. Andrew Whiteman and Ariel Engle, whove done something mesmerizing; also, my son Eddie is both a poet and an indie musician: I know about some indie people from about 2000, not so much after that. Songs And Stories Of The Ghouls. However, New York Poetry authorized one to draw from others, taking a bit from this one, and from that one, which I did for a long time. I thought that they were voices of dead French people, but they just came from everywhere; the voices came for that poem. AN: Well I grew up in the Southwest. NOTLEY, Alice. NOTLEY, Alice. DR: With your interpolation of popular culture into epic poetry, I would expect you to be a household name here in France. 33DR: I think for the reader those part-words can function to foreground an elsewhere. [17], Encyclopedia of the New York School Poets. In a lecture titled Thinking and Poetry, Notley underscores the deep difficulty of following ones own direction: I find being a poet something that must start again all the time; Im It seems nobody has any sense of tone of voice any more. . , c. 1945, courtesy of the Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. and Laurence B. HOLLAND. AN: Well, thats what a lot of us got from her; Im heavily influenced by Gertrude Stein, having had two Stein periods; in the second one in the mid-1980s, I figured out a thing about repetition: that, if you repeated, you could pause long enough inside the repetition to figure out what to say next, which she was probably doing constantly. Twitter, I went down there is simple, but it is rich. My parents were from Arizona. She has lived most extensively in Needles, in New York, and since 1992 in Paris, France. Photographer unknown, Alice Notleys father doing the Hopi snake dance, c. 1945, courtesy of the Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. There was a piece of paper on my door that said: in your building there were two Jewish children who were taken to the camps; we are going to have a ceremony for the unveiling of a plaque on the rue de Chabrol. DR: Lets see, arrive the exactitude of pitch the tune in words alone; thats In the Pines too. 100DR: What do you think of Gertrude Stein and of the kind of permutations she does: almost like rolling things around in your mouth? Her honors also include an Academy Award in Literature from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Shelley Memorial Award from the Poetry Society of America. 116AN: I was there. We know how inane the decision was that everybody would have a car, completely destroying the planet. 16DR: Indeed, Berrigan and OHara were both Irish names. He would fly to Paris, find me, and we would have dinner; also, he had a group of Paris friends. Or both but instantly. I actually feel bad when I dont write, like yesterday, but I always have something going on. The first workshop that I taught was a crucial one for that generation actually. I used to substitute teach for him, sometimes, at Brooklyn College. I would write during that high, meanwhile I would listen to Bob Dylan tapes. For instance this collage that you put on the cover of Grave of Light. But it goes Of asphodel, that greeny flower I come my sweet to sing. Its a long line that can take in short lines, which I did in, . Then I found all the spots around the world in them and talked about them as being set in the world as a whole, saying that was a fitting poetry for now, when were all crossing borders all the time: spanning geography is the main event today, because there are so many people. . Peggy went to work at two jobs for ever; then there was a point where Johnny, the youngest, had to leave home, and she had a nervous breakdown, which was when I met her. In Heavens Breath, Lyall Watson created a wildly entertaining history of the wind. Detroit was burning and poetry was on fire. She has long written in narrative and epic and genre-bending modes to discover new ways to explore the nature of the self and the social and cultural importance of disobedience. always reinventing my practice, discovering what I believe is true and In the spring of 1976, Notley and her family returned to New York, and her husband Ted fell ill with hepatitis, a disease he suffered from until his death in 1983. Ive noticed it with my granddaughters. You know Frank was this little gay guy and Ted was this big, butch, working-class guy from Rhode Island; they were both from New England so there may have been something that he caught off of Franks voice as a vibration, or of Franks way of behaving in the world (I never met him; Ted once gave me permission to call him Frank). 99AN: Frank caught how great Pictures from Breughel and Other Poems (1962) was. Batsford Ltd., 1945. In this interview, she mentions other New York Poets (John Ashbery, James Schuyler, Frank OHara, Kenneth Koch, Ron Padgett, Eileen Myles, Anne Waldman, Joe Brainard, Allan Ginsberg, and Bernadette Mayer). URL: http://journals.openedition.org/transatlantica/13862; DOI: https://doi.org/10.4000/transatlantica.13862, Universit Paris Nanterre and cole nationale suprieure des beaux-arts de Paris, Creative Commons - Attribution - Pas d'Utilisation Commerciale - Pas de Modification 4.0 International - CC BY-NC-ND 4.0, https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/, Voir la notice dans le catalogue OpenEdition, Plan du site Mentions lgales et Crdits Liens Flux de syndication, Politique de confidentialit Gestion des cookies, Nous adhrons OpenEdition Journals dit avec Lodel Accs rserv, You will be redirected to OpenEdition Search. The circle of younger poets who spent time with Notley and Berrigan included the aforementioned members of the Yellow Press team, Barbara Barg, Rochelle Kraut, Rose Lesniak, Bob Rosenthal, Steve Levine, Simon Schuchat, Tim Milk, and several others. I also have a vinyl record, its like one of those jazz albums. Light as airmail paper away she flew. Indeed, French poetry has had some weird times, where it got so abstract. Line Breaks in America: the Odds and Ends of Poetry, Places and Cultures of Capitalism: Histories from the Grassroots, Conjunctions of the Literary and the Philosophical in Twentieth- and Twenty-First-Century American Writing, Creating the Child Audience: Media and the Invention of Modern American Childhood, Les mots pour le dire. I didnt know any French; I had no French when I came here, basically, in my late forties. I would write during that high, meanwhile I would listen to Bob Dylan tapes. For three or four years my father danced the Hopi snake dance with a live snake in his mouth. When I read. I thought that that printing added something, though: I enjoyed turning the book to read the poem. NOTLEY, Alice. The incentives to engage in selfish, destructive action are as strong as they always have been. Alice Notleys influence on a later generation of poets exploring the subject of motherhood is hard to overstate. I made this in about 2005. Also, just before leaving New York, she realized the ambition of writing a feminist epic in a book-length poem, Since then, her poetry has continued to flow and evolve. 36AN: Like dolmensyes, something like that. Alice Notley continues to live in Paris and makes frequent trips to the U.S. to give readings and lectures. There was pleasure in working with that discovery. Her honors and awards include an Arts and Letters Award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Shelley Memorial Award from the Poetry Society of America. [12] Her own book, entitled Parts of a Wedding, was published first in a small edition by Unimproved Editions then later as a section of the O Books anthology O One.[13]. It seems nobody has any sense of tone of voice any more. Chicago: C Press, 1971. 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